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| | | hogeyphenogey | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 461 | | Location | : | Chicopee, Mass, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Apr 2014 - 11:14 Post title : LED turn signals | | | I love this mod... I like having the indicators seen from the side of the bike. And it's pretty damn bright too.
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| | | bnz433 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,843 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Apr 2014 - 11:41 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: hogeyphenogey) | | | Very cool!!! 
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| | | Dags | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2014 - 04:54 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: bnz433) | | | Not sure if compatible, but they are a great price.
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| | | busyelbow | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 34 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Jul 2014 - 18:04 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: hogeyphenogey) | | | Looks great. Which part number did you order? Would like to figure out something for the rear too.
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| | | Dags | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 18 Jul 2014 - 09:10 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Dags) | | | Well....went and spent $12 on 6 of these globes.
But unfortunately they do no work.   
Cannot get all four working, I can get front and back on one side working and they still work with one on the other side, but when I put the forth in.....no go on that side.
All 6 globes are in working order, but cannot get all four working on the bike.
The blink rate on original globes was about 0.6 seconds (on/off/on) and this was shortened to approx 0.3 with the LEDs and they appeared brighter.
Well it was only $12.
Yes yes I know, NOT canbus, my mistake.
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| | | Dags | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Jul 2014 - 07:09 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Dags) | | | Ok second attempt
Picked up some 1156 BAU15S 18 SMD Amber Yellow CANBUS OBC Error Free Tail LED Light Bulb Lamps
3 work when all 4 are inserted.
* All 4 globes work.....YES
* Right rear does not work by itself or with any combination of globes in/out
* Swapped over rear bulbs to check, and yes that bulb works on the left, but again no light on the rear right.
* Inserted old bulb, and yes that bulb works in the right rear
* Tried 1 glass of Wild Turkey.....no, didn't fix it.
* Tried no ice....better....but still no little blinking light.
* HELLO FORUM Any ideas appreciated
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| | | fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Jul 2014 - 07:30 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Dags) | | | I have tried the same thing and no go for me either
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| | | Smitty | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 996 | | Location | : | Hawkesbury, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Jul 2014 - 08:40 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: fab) | | | Pretty sure when you change to LED you also need to install a LED flasher can or change the resister.
LED's flash at a different rate (which is also a defect) so you need another thingy installed
I'm no expert on electrics, but iv'e heard about this issue many times...
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| | | Dags | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Jul 2014 - 08:49 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Smitty) | | |
Smitty
LED's flash at a different rate (which is also a defect) so you need another thingy installed
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Haven't checked on the defect thingy, was actually thinking it was safer having a faster flash rate and a bit brighter bulb.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,936 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jul 2014 - 15:41 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Dags) | | | LEDs draw a fraction of the current of incandescent bulbs, thus the faster flash rate.
Resistors in circuit are a calculated value of the voltage in use, so an LED may be used at any voltage by changing its R value. 12v LEDs have the proper resistor built-in for 12v.
CAN bus LEDs actually have to increase load (current or amps) to what a computer expects (1/2 to 1 amp per bulb) or some car computers will throw an error.
I installed LEDs in all four with no problem; brighter lights and a faster flash rate, which I consider a plus (like you).
The one thing I'd suggest is to remove metal shield covering cables under end of rear fender and take a look at those cables. One of the bolts securing that shield on my bike had been installed with cable out of place, pinching cable between fender and shield while bolt drilled thru insulation. Possible that your right rear might be close enough to ground to affect a sensitive LED while the stock bulb may continue to function....?
Oh yeah, almost forgot another lil' annoyance. Our turn signal sockets have a little appendage (ground?) that can make installing bulbs a PITA.
You have to angle-in the bulb to socket in order to move that arm aside (arrow). Easy to damage it, too.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,936 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2014 - 17:36 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: MotorMac) | | | Early problems with automotive LEDs were because the required resistor was excluded; without it, the LED doesn't light up. Apparently, you were expected to know this and add a resistor to the socket. Since then, it's safe to assume any LED with a specified operating voltage will include the resistor for that voltage.
Formula for calculating proper resistor in a given circuit where R = resistor ohms, V = volts, I = Amps:
(V in) - (V LED)
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I LED
Example: LED rated 20mA @ 3.4v would be: 12 (V in) - 3.4 (V LED) / 20mA (.02) = 430 ohm.
With multiple LEDs, a major consideration is whether they are wired in series or in parallel. In series, a single resistor provides bias for all LEDs, but if one fails they all go out (like a string of old Christmas lights). In parallel, each LED has its own resistor; if one fails, the others are not affected (much better for our applications, and one difference between cheap LED bulbs and expensive ones).
Appears to be an "indicator relay" in our instrument assembly (item #17, pgs. 18.33 and 18.35 in Service Manual), and it must have a threshold for operation that causes LEDs to flash faster than incandescent bulbs. Entirely possible that some LED bulbs would would not draw enough current to trigger "indicator relay" at all. The ones I purchased have 18 LEDs per bulb drawing 115mA (120 lumens) Link
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| | | Dags | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 31 Jul 2014 - 07:28 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: MotorMac) | | | Thanks MM,
Cannot find how many mA these draw to see any similarity/differences, so it's the stock bulbs for me, until I can some a bit more reasonable.
Thanks again for posting, very helpful
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| | | Dags | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2014 - 06:45 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Dags) | | | For all of you that are playing along at home.
Being that only 1 socket (RH rear) was not working, I decided to check polarity, by running a few wires out from each "appendage" as MotorMac described them and swapping them around from ground to power and vice versa.
Insert drum roll................BLINK BLINK BLINK, halle farken lujah.
So I removed the RH housing and found that the two wires feeding were the same colour, Black with white wrap, so I can see how easy this could have happened, as filements globes are not polarity conscience.
I cut them and swapped them over and now have faster and brighter lights.
Regarding the faster rate. The legal flash rate in NSW is between 60 and 120 per minute. Yep mine are a bit over that, but for me, brighter and faster stand out more.
See what happens when the weather turns crap and your belt is quite.
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| | | fab | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 02 Aug 2014 - 08:43 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Dags) | | |
Dags wrote:
For all of you that are playing along at home.
Being that only 1 socket (RH rear) was not working, I decided to check polarity, by running a few wires out from each "appendage" as MotorMac described them and swapping them around from ground to power and vice versa.
Insert drum roll................BLINK BLINK BLINK, halle farken lujah.
So I removed the RH housing and found that the two wires feeding were the same colour, Black with white wrap, so I can see how easy this could have happened, as filements globes are not polarity conscience.
I cut them and swapped them over and now have faster and brighter lights.
Regarding the faster rate. The legal flash rate in NSW is between 60 and 120 per minute. Yep mine are a bit over that, but for me, brighter and faster stand out more.
See what happens when the weather turns crap and your belt is quite.
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thanks for that dags tried mine and same thing 2 were wired wrong (polarity) changed the wiring and all working now
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| | | Dags | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 02 Aug 2014 - 09:05 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: fab) | | |
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,936 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Aug 2014 - 13:48 Post title : Re: LED turn signals (Re: Dags) | | | Way to go, Dags!
Never occurred to me that the wires could be swapped 'round at sockets, but since they're isolated in plastic housings it wouldn't matter - to incandescent bulbs.
I'm old school, used to 14/16 ga. wire and metal fixtures grounded by mounts. Didn't realize how lucky I was that all 4 sockets were wired the same on my bike. Parking light, too.
Important to know for those of us switching to LEDs; polarity may be reversed.
Must be somewhat rare if the issue hasn't surfaced until now.
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